What kind of MODS are there?

[Rollinstone]

I hear of a Deagle shooting like a 9mm. How the hell is that possible? What kind of MODS would do that?

[Sean]

Shooting like a 9mm? :dizzy:

Please explain further.

Thanks,

[Rollinstone]

You know what?
Del this post!
I know there is no way to make this Magnificent BEAST shoot like a 9mm. I just overheard a gunsmith at the range say he "was shooting a D-eagle that was customized and the damn thing shot like a 9." I have done no research on modifications on handguns so I was wondering if someone could help me out. In my defense, because I am not a Law Enforcement Officer, I seem to get the cold shoulder at the ranges. (I live in Orange County California).

Now obviously that could mean almost anything.
1. Did he put a longer barrel on?
2. That would make it heavier. Is there something you can do to make the D-eagle lighter without increasing the recoil... errr...? Kick?

I am fairly new to large calibers and fire arms in general but I plan on becoming an expert because I found something I absolutely love; so please forgive my ignorance. If you would like to del a post feel free to let me know through email.

[Sean]

Don't believe everything that you hear.

My Wife would brag how I was the best F-ck that she ever had.

No doubt she is saying talking the same about her new husband common smile

A longer bbl and or Optic or both would tame the recoil considerably.

There is no way to lighten the weight of a DE, short of hitting it with a grinding wheel.

[patchball]

you don't think he was talking about the baby eagle, chambered in 9mm do you? i have seen some mod. on these. and most when talking about the babies will call them just D/E and not baby D/E's just a thought
and there is never a dumb question. asking is the only way to learn

[angila]

Sorry dear no idea.I'm not aware of it.Please explain me in details.Its great to have these things in details.

[brigadier]

My .44 Magnum was blowing back too hard when I first got it and failing to extract just about anything in 180 grain and loads with slow burning powder. I trimmed the vents on the gas piston a tiny bit and it not only extracted those loads dependably, but lighter loads were as soft as and in some cases even softer then just about anything I've ever fired through my (now stolen) Beretta 9mm. There's obviously no getting around the hefty recoil draw and the gun's large size, but in terms of punch, mild loads can definitely get down as far as your average 9mm and then some. I would imagine porting the barrel would be just as effective, if not more.

My friend has a .357 Magnum MARK I and I always thought it's recoil was somewhere between a 9mm and .45 and I have never fired anything but the hottest loads through it.

[LargeCaliber]

You know what?
Del this post!
I know there is no way to make this Magnificent BEAST shoot like a 9mm. I just overheard a gunsmith at the range say he "was shooting a D-eagle that was customized and the damn thing shot like a 9." I have done no research on modifications on handguns so I was wondering if someone could help me out. In my defense, because I am not a Law Enforcement Officer, I seem to get the cold shoulder at the ranges. (I live in Orange County California).

Now obviously that could mean almost anything.
1. Did he put a longer barrel on?
2. That would make it heavier. Is there something you can do to make the D-eagle lighter without increasing the recoil... errr...? Kick?

I am fairly new to large calibers and fire arms in general but I plan on becoming an expert because I found something I absolutely love; so please forgive my ignorance. If you would like to del a post feel free to let me know through email.

Stronger recoil springs. To my knowledge I've never seen stronger aftermarket recoil springs being sold but that would do it. However there is a fine line with that. You want it strong enough to confidently and accurately mag dump the rounds but light enough to properly cycle the action.

When I mention I have a .44 Deagle peoples eyes get big and they're like "That thing has a LOT of recoil." or something to that effect. I just grin and think "That ain't shit compared to a .44 mag revolver." My friend has a 4 inch Taurus Tracker in .44 mag, it definitely recoils more.

You do occasionally need to get a tune up kit for one. When you've just installed the kit is when it will shoot the softest. Reason is the springs go through a break in period where they eventually loose a little bit of strength and then they're perfectly at the right strength for proper operation.

But without external mods, stronger recoil springs is the way to go.

My .44 Magnum was blowing back too hard when I first got it and failing to extract just about anything in 180 grain and loads with slow burning powder. I trimmed the vents on the gas piston a tiny bit and it not only extracted those loads dependably, but lighter loads were as soft as and in some cases even softer then just about anything I've ever fired through my (now stolen) Beretta 9mm. There's obviously no getting around the hefty recoil draw and the gun's large size, but in terms of punch, mild loads can definitely get down as far as your average 9mm and then some. I would imagine porting the barrel would be just as effective, if not more.

My friend has a .357 Magnum MARK I and I always thought it's recoil was somewhere between a 9mm and .45 and I have never fired anything but the hottest loads through it.

How did you trim the vents?

[brigadier]

Stronger recoil springs. To my knowledge I've never seen stronger aftermarket recoil springs being sold but that would do it. However there is a fine line with that. You want it strong enough to confidently and accurately mag dump the rounds but light enough to properly cycle the action.

When I mention I have a .44 Deagle peoples eyes get big and they're like "That thing has a LOT of recoil." or something to that effect. I just grin and think "That ain't shit compared to a .44 mag revolver." My friend has a 4 inch Taurus Tracker in .44 mag, it definitely recoils more.

You do occasionally need to get a tune up kit for one. When you've just installed the kit is when it will shoot the softest. Reason is the springs go through a break in period where they eventually loose a little bit of strength and then they're perfectly at the right strength for proper operation.

But without external mods, stronger recoil springs is the way to go.



How did you trim the vents?

I don't remember what I myself used, it was almost a decade ago. A sand block with something in the neighborhood of 220 grit or a little finer should work, but calipers are practically a necessity.

The vents are the flat parts on the top and bottom of the gas piston. They vent pressure and are trimmed as a means of controlling the amount of force in the recoil. Too tight and the slide blasts back too hard and can cause extraction failure, as well as catastrophic failure AKA, the slide flying off the back of the gun and hitting you in the face. Too loose and the slide doesn't blow back hard enough to dependably cycle the action. In the case of tinkering with it, MRI already took care of the "catastrophic failure" part, but mark my words, there's a VERY thin line between getting 180gr and slow burning powder loads to work OK and the gun failing to cycle on light loads. And remember, I am speaking strictly about the .44 Magnum.

Though I generally don't advise the adjustment to anyone who doesn't fully understand exactly what they're doing, it is still worth while to point out that this adjustment's real value is in making the Desert Eagle compatible with a wider range of loads. The difference it makes in the recoil sounds like allot more then it is. All kinds of factors represent recoil, such as weight, sharpness/shock, tug, draw time etc. The adjustment to the gas piston only affects one of them to a noticeable degree.

[Hard Chrome]

From what I understand, the DE 44 was designed to run on 240gr bullets with the appropriate factory powder charge.

It's a non tunable gas system, you have some play + or - from that factory load and that's about it.

To make the gun reliable with handloads etc, you will have to make your own scientific custom adjustments to the recoil springs, gas system etc as mentioned above.

Unlike the Wildey " a finicky bitch " with whatever load you shoot.

The Wildey takes about twenty or so rounds to adjust & dial it in correctly with any hand or factory load.

[brigadier]

From what I understand, the DE 44 was designed to run on 240gr bullets with the appropriate factory powder charge.

It's a non tunable gas system, you have some play + or - from that factory load and that's about it.

To make the gun reliable with handloads etc, you will have to make your own scientific custom adjustments to the recoil springs, gas system etc as mentioned above.

Unlike the Wildey " a finicky bitch " with whatever load you shoot.

The Wildey takes about twenty or so rounds to adjust & dial it in correctly with any hand or factory load.

Yep, that's pretty much it. I personally found that with any gun, you should find 3 loads you really like and stick to them. I always go with a cheap plinking load, a good man stopper and a good animal stopper.

Designing and producing handguns is hell. It's sort of like video game design. Every little thing has to carefully gone over. Designing a single gun around every load under the sun is going to be very long and painstaking project. Semi-autos that can handle just about anything tend to carry those abilities by chance, rather then intentional design. Even the Glock will jam like a Jennings if you feed it the wrong ammo.

MRI has a list of ammo they tested the gun with and found it to perform well with. Any time you go out of factory specs with anything, you are entering the realm of the unknown and are on your own. That's why I said, if you don't know exactly what you're doing, don't do it.

[44magnum]

240 jacketed HP with enough H110 to gag a horse.

[brigadier]

My friend reloads 240s with H-110. That stuff spouts a ridiculously massive flash and sounds like Dirty Harry's gun.

[50AE]

H110 is a decent powder for the DE.
The correct charge of 110 will fill the case.
This will result in a good and consistent burn.

I used 110 for a bit, then moved on to AA # 9.

Never looked back.

Blue Dot, Green Dot?

Both make everything happen way to fast.

Those powders do not seem to perform correctly for me in the DE.

[LargeCaliber]

H110 is a decent powder for the DE.
The correct charge of 110 will fill the case.
This will result in a good and consistent burn.

I used 110 for a bit, then moved on to AA # 9.

Never looked back.

Blue Dot, Green Dot?

Both make everything happen way to fast.

Those powders do not seem to perform correctly for me in the DE.

Yeah I've been told the powders for full-on rock and roll are

110, 296, and 2400

[Veritas13]

These 2 options will help the DE recoil - but I assure you, you cannot get this gun to shoot like a 9mm, especially in .44 or .50 cailbers.

1. Send your barrel to mag-na-port (google them) and put quad ports on the barrel.

2. Send your barrel to Magnum Research and they will add a muzzle break (on YOUR barrel) for about $279. Mine is coming back from Magnum Research in about a week.

Now, if you put a 10 inch ported barrel with a muzzle break on a .357 Desert Eagle, maybe you can get it to emulate a 9mm?

Andy

[brigadier]

These 2 options will help the DE recoil - but I assure you, you cannot get this gun to shoot like a 9mm, especially in .44 or .50 cailbers.

1. Send your barrel to mag-na-port (google them) and put quad ports on the barrel.

2. Send your barrel to Magnum Research and they will add a muzzle break (on YOUR barrel) for about $279. Mine is coming back from Magnum Research in about a week.

Now, if you put a 10 inch ported barrel with a muzzle break on a .357 Desert Eagle, maybe you can get it to emulate a 9mm?

Andy

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that comparing Desert Eagle recoil with a 9mm is not as cut and dry as you might think.

When people ask me how I compare 9mm, .40S&W, 10mm Auto and .45ACP to one and other, I tell them that recoil varies more from gun to gun and load to load then from caliber to caliber.

There are different aspects to what you can call "recoil" and they vary from gun to gun. For instance, one gun may have a heavier push then another, while the other may have a much greater snap to the recoil. While the push may be heavier, most shooters will vouch that the snap is what really bothers them. If a gun has 1/3 less push then another but twice the snap, many shooters will understand the snappier gun as harder recoiling.

In this respect, it is reasonable when comparing some loads to say the 9mm is WORSE then my .44 Magnum Desert Eagle. For instance, I use to have a Makarov handgun. Didn't kick very hard on American Eagle ammo but silver bear had quite a punch. I've fired it head to head with my Desert Eagle (Miwall 240gr loads and Winchester 240gr "Wal Mart" loads) and, while the Desert Eagle may have been heavier overall, the Makarov had noticeably more punch.

I also once had a Bryco Jennings 9 and; while I never fired it head to head with my Desert Eagle, I had fired them in close enough time frame to know the general differences and every bit of the Jennings 9's recoil was at least comparable to +P loads out of the Desert Eagle, and the snap of the recoil from the Jennings 9 was worse then anything I've ever fired out of the .44 Desert Eagle.

On top of that, I've had more then one person blatantly say that Miwall ammo has less recoil out of my Desert Eagle then a 9mm. While I cannot agree with that in terms of overall weight, at least compared to most of your average 9mm handguns, there are definitely enough variables that come together to give your average shooter that general impression.

So it really depends on allot of things. Your load, your grip, smoothness of the action, what load you are using and which 9mm you are comparing it to, all the above factors considered with the 9mm.

In some cases, the .44 Magnum Desert Eagle really can give the shooter/s the overall impression of less recoil then a 9mm. .50AE, I am not so sure.

[Veritas13]

I agree 100% with you...

I own a 9mm, a DE .44, an AMT Longslide .45 and a S&W 460XVR.

Now if you want to talk about recoil, borrow someone's 460XVR and try that out !

Yikes !

Andy

[Rodentman]

The correct load for H110, or any other powder is best obtained from the proper manual. I use 34.0g for the .50 AE with a 300g jacketed bullet. I use 23.5-24.0g of H110 with .44 mag with 240g jacketed bullet. I use 29.0g H110 with 180g 44 mag.

Start from the manual minimum and work up, if needed. Watch for warning signs of overcharge, like flattened primers...

Please do not "fill the case" with any powder, not even Trail Boss.

[brigadier]

I agree 100% with you...

I own a 9mm, a DE .44, an AMT Longslide .45 and a S&W 460XVR.

Now if you want to talk about recoil, borrow someone's 460XVR and try that out !

Yikes !

Andy

I fired the standard mid-length S&W 460 and was surprised at how soft the recoil was. I thought the .50 Desert Eagle was worse in every way, and yes, I fired both at the same setting.

The S&W 500 is the mean one. That gun is no fun to shoot. And that's coming from someone who's well known for recoil management.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtKl8RP4jRs

Maximum recoil of the S&W 500 is 3x that of the .44 magnum. And people tend to comprehend things as more extreme then they are, especially recoil. I'm not sure what it is on the 460 but what I fired only seamed a little worse then a .44 Magnum. Right in between the .44 Super Red hawk and .45-70 BFR Maxine if I recall correctly.